Curse

Sleeper Service · Sep 21, 2007, 07:08 PM // 19:08

I'm finding this thread supremely ironic considering the existence of this one:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0197465&page=1

Mordakai · Sep 21, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

I'm finding this thread supremely ironic considering the existence of this one:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0197465&page=1

Ironic or superfluous?

Yes, I don't want to bring those arguments up again, so allow me to clarify my remarks:

I am NOT talking about real world moral ambiguity.

I am talking about a specific race in a fantasy computer game that has been shown with no compassion or regret. I'm not saying that good Charr are not possible, since as an imaginary race, they can have whatever characteristics their creator bestows upon them.

I AM saying, at this point in time, I can find no evidence of any redeeming characteristic of the Charr.

People keep bringing up our Characters as examples of evil. Well, even if they are evil (and I'm not convinced they are portrayed that way), there are at least other representations of "good" Humans in the world of Guild Wars.

So, please, lets leave real world discussions out of this and discuss how Charr are portrayed in the game. And how can they possibly work as a Playable Race?

bamm bamm bamm · Sep 21, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

...and always will be evil...

You've read some in-between filler lore, not the GW2 script. Like all the other pointless GW2 threads that are titled with a rhetorical question, there's nothing to go on.

Also, you never played an antihero before?

Mordakai · Sep 21, 2007, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by bamm bamm bamm

You've read some in-between filler lore, not the GW2 script. Like all the other pointless GW2 threads that are titled with a rhetorical question, there's nothing to go on.

Also, you never played an antihero before?

Not in Guild Wars.

Should I wait until GW2 is released before I voice my displeasure at an evil playable race?

bamm bamm bamm · Sep 21, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Should I wait until GW2 is released before I voice my displeasure at an evil playable race?

But that's what I'm saying, you don't know that they're going to be evil. You just know they're 'evil' at the start. Surely you smell the 'coming-together-of-hated-races-to-fight-a-greater-threat-and-ultimately-find-redemption' from a mile off? Why would they use that in some filler lore to sell a magazine when they could use it as a device in the game? As I said, you don't actually know if they 'always will be evil'. You haven't read the script.

dont feel no pain · Sep 21, 2007, 08:10 PM // 20:10

I was thinking about the asura more than the charr lol so small!

Mordakai · Sep 21, 2007, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by bamm bamm bamm

But that's what I'm saying, you don't know that they're going to be evil. You just know they're 'evil' at the start. Surely you smell the 'coming-together-of-hated-races-to-fight-a-greater-threat-and-ultimately-find-redemption' from a mile off? Why would they use that in some filler lore to sell a magazine when they could use it as a device in the game? As I said, you don't actually know if they 'always will be evil'. You haven't read the script.

I guess I just assumed those hints would have come in GWEN. I don't doubt such a transparent move is possible, but it would be worse to come out of the blue like that.

I was just sure some hint of their emerging "goodness" would be revealed by now.

Elena · Sep 21, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

i think were derailing a little bit

lets yust keep focused on the charr here

on other news we killed his daddy

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Vatlaaw_Doomtooth

HawkofStorms · Sep 21, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Hey, I LOVE playing as the Empire in Star Wars games. Screw you Luke Skywalker!

So when GW2 comes around... yum, humans = squish

Fitz Rinley · Sep 21, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

I by no means accept that good and evil are relative as one suggested. However, perspective of individuals is relavent to position between good, evil, and the other six colors of the spectrum. Pyre is not in a sense evil because he does not in fact hate humans - he loves them as food. The Charr represent a carnivorous race of socially advanced predators, in much the same way that Klingons represent a hyper aggressive militant clan based society. (Although I still think Charr look more like cows than cats, and wonder just how many cups the Charr female-armor will support,

.)

But who knows - maybe GW2 will actually have more RP! Could be interesting.

My Sweet Revenga · Sep 21, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Unless the Charr in GW2 look anything like this......

....Doubt if I'll ever like charr. I ain't gonna be food for some freakin chewbacca wannabe.....

Retribution X · Sep 21, 2007, 09:37 PM // 21:37

OMG Some charr attacked me in teh woods! Teh are evil!!!111!!!

OMG! Some humans attacked me in teh jungle!!!111!!! Teh Are Evil!!111!!!

Ok. I think my point went across... (I will hate myself, because I hate idiots that type like I just did. :P)

Malice Black · Sep 21, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

This is a game forum, do not bring real world politics here. I've deleted all reference to any real world events. I do not want to see anymore posted.

Theus · Sep 21, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

I'm getting a real Faction Vs Faction vibe from Guild Wars 2.

Grreat.Grand.Another terrible MMO aspect for GuildWars 2.

Age · Sep 21, 2007, 10:27 PM // 22:27

It all depends on where your char was born in Ascalon that the greatgrande children of your char will feel.My char were born in Rin so yeah they like the Charr that much.I would point out that the Main City DoomlorShine is human built as it has those heads you see in Ascalon.This where they are sitting around eating in dinning room that is human built as well.I would gather that the real lands of the Charr are much further North.

That part of the storyline didn't make any sense and Drascir is suppose to be up there but yes I know about what said in the Ruins of Surmia mission.Drascir is suppose to be great city according to the lore greater than that of Ascalon more like main city in Vabbi.

Dark Paladin X · Sep 21, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Ok, you shouldn't always assume the Charr are evil. Sure they invaded Ascalon, but under the orders of the Shaman order manipulated by the Titans. After the Titans left them, the Charr Shaman order fell apart and the Ebon Vanguard comes in to take advantage of the Charr civil war. I don't hate the Charr or feel sympathy to them, I just feel neutral and that's all.

IMO, I prefer playing as an elf or a tengu. Tengus kick butt!!

lyra_song · Sep 21, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

I dont really see the Charr's values as...."evil" per se.

They place importance in other things, compassion is considered a weakness.

Victory over all, strength and obviously brotherhood is quite important.

Reminds me a bit of the plains indians.....

Having a hated enemy does not make you evil.

I hate cockroaches...im sure all cockroaches find me evil.

Sleeper Service · Sep 22, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10

dunno about char but i sure hope the Undead are playable.

now they put things into perspective.

thats unless a undead char still counts as char.

Unkillable Cat · Sep 22, 2007, 12:52 AM // 00:52

The whole evil idea is a mute point when you consider that only a few decades ago Germany was "Evil" for declaring war on all of its neighbors and trying to anhialate and entire race, America was "Evil" for nuking a few hundred thousand civilians and celebrating it, go back a hundred years and all white people were evil for supressing all other races, the list could be endless if you studied modern history deeply enough. 200 Years is a long time for a nation to change its stripes, look at the war mentioned above, the most "Evil" is now a democratic leader of the European Union, while two of the "Good Guys" from the same conflict are waist deep in civilian deaths in the middle east, thats in a far shorter time frame. Are the UK and USA Evil for the level of civilian deaths in "war of terror"? not by the wests point of view, its called collateral damage (which in defence is inevitable when air superiority is involved) some even view them as heroes, but Im sure that the Iraqi people view it another way.

Im not a disgruntles war protestor Im simply using the above as a contemporary example of how good and evil are more abiguous than most people like to think a "freedom fighter/rebel" is to be celerbrated but one mans rebel is anothers terrorist.

jhu · Sep 22, 2007, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Ahh, yes, it's all relative, right? It's OK to bring down a meteor on a civilian city...

Sorry. I think is most people's mind, killing innocent civilians is evil, no matter what gods you believe in.

indeed. there are multiple instances in the bible where the "good guys" are killing "innocents."

"good" and "evil" are relative and determined by the winners. viet cong vs. u.s. military. who was good and who was evil?